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This is bull crap. I can remember hearing Jill Derby flap her lips about this great thing they are doing by letting casino shift workers caucus where they work. At the time, we had no idea it was only going to be those people at casinos in LV with 4,000 or more workers. Not all of those 4,000 workers are on the same shift!
What about the shift workers at casinos in Reno? Tahoe? Elko? West Wendover? Jackpot? Mesquite? etc?
WHAT ABOUT THE MINING WORKERS?
And then to treat these new "at large" precincts like whole entire counties to calculate delegates so Nevada ends up with more?
What crook wrote this crap?
Shame on you, Jill Derby! Shame, shame, shame!
January 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Note that this case is being brought AGAINST the NSDP by some of our newly elected progressive Officers on the Clark County Central Committee Executive Board - KUDOS to them for having the courage to stand up for what's right and fair!
Since we got stuck with the Iowa Caucus idea - we want a fair caucus in 2008 - but, a lot of people want to go to an open primary for Nevada in 2012!
We want voting by mail (for our absentees - like our military and out-of-towners), early voting, and easy voting (shopping malls, grocery stores, etc.) It's all about, one person, one vote, every vote counting and every vote getting counted!
Johnathan L. Abbinett |
January 12, 2008 at 08:18 AM
This is crazy is this the 2000 election. Are we going to really allow them to stop the culinary Unions from voting in the Primary. I am ashamed of the this state Democratic party if they allow the teachers union get away with this. Allow the unions an opportunity to make a difference with there votes dont take it away from them. that will make Clinton supporters look like the bush. GO Edwards!!
January 12, 2008 at 09:24 AM
You don't seem to understand the lawsuit. No one is saying that they shouldn't be allowed to vote. It's just not fair that we create NINE new "counties", according to the lawsuit at least.
January 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Let's be fair, Phil -- behind the rhetoric, this is a politically-motivated lawsuit, and if the Culinary Workers Union had endorsed Hillary Clinton, rather than Barack Obama, the powers that be at the Teacher's Union -- open Clinton supporters -- would not be filing this lawsuit, and everyone knows it.
Voter reform is noble. Perversion of the concept of voter reform in order to sway voter results is cowardly and shameful, and dare I say -- anti-American.
January 12, 2008 at 11:47 AM
After reading the law suit and gaining a better understanding of the way delegates will be awarded at the "at-large" precinct caucuses,it seems only fair to challenge their validity, fairness, and legality. That being said, why wasn't this brought up sooner, prior to the endorsement by Culinary. This lawsuit is ill-timed and politically motivated, but seems reasonable. Either way, it's enough to make this Democrat want to stay home.
Democrat staying home |
January 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Was this a bad idea in March 2007, or is it only a bad idea now that Hillary Clinton was not endorsed by the Culinary Workers Union?
January 12, 2008 at 03:14 PM
The nvdemscaucus.com website indicates that the at-large locations were to be determined by October 31, 2007. So, they've had about 2 months to look at the locations. Why wait until one week before the primary to address this? And why not address it DURING the process instead of waiting until AFTER the process?
I understand there are newly elected county commission members, but also find it noteworthy (and questionable) that Harry Reid's son is the Clark County Commissioner and a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton's campaign.
This smells like Jeb Bush in Florida.
January 12, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Funny how they didn't have this problem before.
Jenny Bea |
January 12, 2008 at 05:32 PM
the idea of allowing working people the opportunity to "vote" is a good one. i do see that it's not fair to only allow workers in locations with more than 4000 employees vote and also that workers in other towns won't have an opportunity to vote and that the vote of other nevadans is being diluted. but what strikes me as a big problem also is that the caucus will take place at the work place, in a situation where the union has endorsed one candidate. won't union members feel coerced to caucus for the union's candidate. there wouldn't be as much coercion if they were voting in the district where they lived.
nevada should have a primary that way people could vote throughout the day.
January 12, 2008 at 06:31 PM
Holding a caucus with co-workers is wrong. I would not want all my co-workers knowing my political choices. Also being the cullinary has endorsed one candidate and these 'at large' locations are all at cullinary union hotels, seems unfair. Not to mention how unfair it is to all the other workers in the state who may have to work during the caucus and will not be able to participate. Read the lawsuit, 1 delegate for every 5 participants at the 'at large' locations, yet only 1 delegate for every 50 registered voters at the other precints. I don't see Clinton's name on the lawsuit, how are all of you connecting this to her?
January 12, 2008 at 07:29 PM
I am a retired lawyer who represented Democratic candidates in election matters for 25 years. I have read the complaint. It appears to be a serious case. No one has a right to hold an election or vote in an election if the applicable law has not been strictly complied with. Otherwise, the result immediately will be called into question and public trust in the election system will deteriorate.
January 12, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Now we know the true reason why Hillary Clinton dislikes caucuses - they cannot be rigged.
In the Iowa caucus, they tried to disenfranchise student voters and failed. The only election where the Clintons managed to eke out a 2-point victory and 0 delegate advantage has been questioned and will undergo a recount. In this Nevada caucus that cannot be rigged, they're trying to disenfranchise casino workers by trying to change the rule of the game in the middle of the game.
If Hillary Clinton cannot win Barack Obama without cheating, why bother to nominate her? In the recent CNN survey, her negatives were HIGHEST at 54%, while Obama is 15% more electable than her. Youths, new voters and Independents are voting for Obama, not her. She comes with a huge baggage. Why waste time with her, only to be disappointed in Novemebr?
See how her dirty tricks are causing division within the party:
Changing the rules in the middle of the game |
January 12, 2008 at 08:04 PM
actually, the iowa caucuses included lots of illinois residents who were able to vote in the iowa caucuses because they attend school in neighboring iowa. if you want to talk about rigging, start there.
but really caucuses are less democratic because they takes hours rather than the short moments it takes to cast a vote and because of the coercive effect of group think. with a primary, if you are going to be working or out of state, you can send in an absentee ballot; can't do that with a caucus. if you have to work, during the period of the caucus you are out of luck.
i don't understand why all states don't go with primaries.
January 12, 2008 at 08:16 PM
Changing the rules....
Those were students who probably spend more time in that state than their "home" state. Many of them will end up working in Iowa, they pay thousands of dollars each in tuition, living expenses, etc to the state of Iowa. You're being a bit dishonest IMO.
January 12, 2008 at 08:52 PM
This is inexcusable.
They were given the location of the caucuses two months ago.
The teacher's union is backing Clinton.
The Culinary Union endorses Obama.
It's OBVIOUS. Some lawyer from Clinton's camp made a phone call to stop the Culinary Union - 60,000 strong - from voting.
Hillary Clinton cannot win without cheating or rigging elections.
I cannot believe that people can't see through this.
If the Culinary Workers are prevented from voting at the Nevada caucus, we might as well give up on our country.
Unbelievable. I hope those teachers are ashamed of themselves - by the way, hmmm...I wonder if they would have filed this lawsuit so close to the election if the Culinary workers had backed Clinton?
January 12, 2008 at 09:15 PM
The lawsuit will be seen by voters as a pro Clinton move even if it was not, Clinton should disavow this, and soon, or she will alienate more voters than than she would gain if the lawsuit is successful and if the lawsuit fails those caucus sites will be even more anti Clinton than otherwise would have been.
If the nomination is still undecided by the time of the convention there will already be a fight over seating delegates from Michigan, and Florida, especially as Clinton is the only major candidate not to take her name off of the Michigan ballot. Now there could be a credentials battle over Nevada delegates. This could turn into a real mess if the delegate count is close after the primaries.
January 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
The HRC/HRC Machine DID rig the Caucus in there favor, and THEN (without the approval of the NSDP State Central Committee Members, and without the approval of the Clark County membership) tried to fail-safe their little rig by 10 TIMES - that's what we the people didn't know (but, our advocates and activists just recently learned)!
So, when the Culinary did NOT back Hillary (as they had so arrogantly expected and assumed) their little booby-trap rig back-fired on them!
Now, we have the strangest of bedfellows, corrupt HRC supporters and some of our best progressive advocates filing a lawsuit that will expose the HRC/HRC Machine - and make the point the progressives have been trying to make all along - THAT THE CAUCUS IS UNDEMOCRATIC!
Hopefully, the court will INSIST that the "Super Strip" Caucus Sites will be able to go on but MUST respect the SAME RATIO of Delegates to Voters as all other precincts - that should resolve the immediate concern.
We need Nevada to go back to a Primary in 2012 where we have Mail In Voting (for our Miltary and Out-Of-Towners), Early Voting and Easy Voting as we usually do and as usually goes very well!
Johnathan L. Abbinett |
January 12, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Boy, is it fun to see the Hildebeast with her claws out! What an incredible phony she is-I especially love how stimied the Clinton Crime Family and her thinly-veiled surrogates must be over how to go after Osama without being labeled racist. That has got to be driving her CRAZY!
And now the Culinary is supporting Osama. BWAHHAH, I love it!
And all you women (and emasculated males)who are defending Her Thighness' despicable tactics simply because she shares your genitalia should be so embarrassed! Worse still, apparently some accurate criticism of HRC and a few tears on her part is all it takes for you to get your own "Shrillary" on and vote for her!
Whatever. Chris Mathews had it right; let's face it, the ONLY reason HRC is where she is is because she stuck with a philandering husband. Had Pantsuit Lady ditched him, she NEVER would have obtained the NY Senate seat, which she used as a stepping stone to fulfill her lifetime sense of presidential entitlement.
And now, I see she is determined to squelch the vote that might impede her coronation. Well, I guess that's one way to go after Osama without incurring the wrath of the Revs. Al and Jesse!
At the end of the day, though, why is HRH so worried? Are any of the Culinary Union workers even legally entitled to vote? I'm being totally serious, because after reading about all those CU workers waving their pitchforks yesterday and chanting, "Yes, we want pudding!" in Spanish, one really has to wonder just how many of those people at the Osama rally are here legally in the first place. Then again, pesky issues such as legal status never stopped the dems before-hello, Motor Voter! I guess Hillary's machinations from the 90's have actually come back to bite her in her substantial posterior, after all, LOL!
January 12, 2008 at 11:29 PM
This lawsuit has been a nightmare. I'm a union rep. at my school and I've received emails from teachers threatening to quit the union if the lawsuit goes forward. Since I'd like to see the union stay strong and not experience a drop in membership, I hope this resolves itself quickly.
Frustrated Teacher's Union Member |
January 13, 2008 at 01:26 AM
See how her dirty tricks are causing division within the party:
Changing the rules in the middle of the game |
January 13, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Can someone post the rest of the court documents? I would like to see the papers filed by the defendants before I make up my mind.
January 17, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Well, good thing it had no affect and it looks like the democratic party is primed and ready to take over the oval office.
La Fayetteville |
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